January 22, 2007


If Spanking is Outlawed, only Outlaws will Spank
Posted by Bryan

California Assemblywoman Sally Lieber wants to outlaw spanking very young children in her state.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the assemblywoman is not a parent. She does however, manage the discipline of a black and white kitty cat named Snoop, upon which she does not administer corporal punishment. While she is certainly to be commended for this, I'm not quite ready to agree that this qualifies her to enact legislation that polices the discipline taking place inside a home.

I've read the statistics that show 120,000+ injuries occur each year and more than 2000 deaths occur annually to corporal punishment. I have to disagree with this, in that these hospitalizations and homicides are the result of child abuse and domestic violence, not corporal punishment. Mothers and fathers who commit these crimes should be charged with a felony, not a misdemeanor, as Lieber suggests with her new law.

I've also seen this chart, showing the relationship between race, sex, and education levels regarding the perceived need for corporal punishment in the home. Unfortunately, this visual aid offers no demographic information for highly educated, married-with-no-kids-but-I-own-a-cat, white females. As such, I'm speculative of her ability to rightly assess the best modes of behavior modification within my family.

Take a few moments to load this video of her interview on the Today show, because there are a couple important things to note.

First, when asked about how this potential legislation was birthed, she mentions how it came as the result of her conversation with a professor. And as you know, much of our nation's greatest legislation has come as a result of too-many-cooks-in-the-kitchen conversations between Cat Lady politicians and bookworm law professors.

Second, this is clearly an intent to enact legislation that begets further legislation. She advocates this settling for the good compared to her ideal, referring to the relative civility of other countries where similar laws are in place. She wants expanded coverage over disciplining older children, but willing to accept just getting her foot in the door, so to speak, for now. She also suggests the expansion of police state behavior, and the mandating of classes for uneducated parents and anger management courses for offending parents.

While I concur with Assemblywoman on the point that infants (and to a lesser degree, toddlers) rarely if ever need spanking or can properly respond to it, I would rather keep this legal door firmly closed, lest we one day find that her no-spanking wedge has grown to Audrey II-ish proportions with an insatiable appetite for consuming every other parenting right we currently enjoy.

Third, and this is important, she needs to update her web page portrait. I wasn't sure I was looking at the same woman. I thought I was looking at her page for the "take your daughter to work" day. Then I remembered she was mumsy to Snoop, so it had to have been her.

Thankfully, the Today show does air a clip of the Governator saying he never spanked his child. Maybe the fact that they grew up watching him destroy a morphing robot from the future as a murdering robot from the future had something to do with his non-spanking success. Perhaps the rationale is that America's men are a bunch of impressionable troglodytes who will stop spanking their children because Ahnold abstains.

Now, as for spanking....you might be surprised if I told you that I'm not a blanket advocate for spanking. But that's a little misleading, the way that saying The Godfather trilogy was a family drama. I am an advocate for the intelligent use of reasonable and appropriate corporal punishment. As oxymoronic as that may seem to some, it is possible and necessary.

Spanking provides a physical reminder of the consequences for disobedience or for bad/inappropriate conduct. I'd much rather my child shed a few tears over a swatted rear and learn a lesson than have a life of "time out" and "i'm counting to three" and never learn the lesson, only to grow up with a false sense of entitlement and privilege.

I was recently part of a multigenerational conversation where we were talking about spanking in schools. I never was spanked in school, and only saw one classmate swatted. However, the prospect of getting a tanned hide at home was always a significant enough factor to keep me relatively faithful to the intersection of Straight Street and Narrow Blvd. An older man (who I deeply respect) smiled and even said, "I'm laughing at y'all," telling us of the innumerable times he was spanked in schools. Times change and we're gettting softer. I'm not an advocate of a teacher/administrator spanking my child, but neither am I one for allowing the government telling me that I cannot discipline my child in this manner.

While anecdotal evidence of three good kids may not be enough to convince you that I'm right and that "I'm my Kitty's Mommy" Lieber is wrong, the extended entry offers a few "rules of thumb" in adminstering corporal punishment. Note: none of the "rules of thumb" actually involve the use of thumbs.

  1. Be Calm. It's the nature of a child to behave like a child, and you are the one who supposed to be the adult. When your child messes up, take a few moments to collect your thoughts and to cool down if you need to. Never punish out of anger, but out of a loving, disciplined motive to correct.
  2. Use time as your ally. In some circumstances, you need to punish swiftly. In most, though, you can use the same time that you need to get your own thoughts in order to have them reflect on their own behavior and identify where they went wrong. As an added bonus, the time they spend anticipating the punishment is usually as useful as actual punishment itself.
  3. Don't extend the punishment. For a child receiving a spanking, every second feels like a minute. It doesn't take much to make a strong impression and there is no need to "throw a hand grenade to get rid of a housefly."
  4. Explain yourself. Tell them...every time...that you don't like to spank, and that you will not spank as long as they comply.
  5. Love on your children. Follow up every spanking with a hugging. Remind your children that they are loved, and they are good children, but their behavior was bad. Love on them at least twice as long as you spanked them.
  6. Be consistent. Whatever you determine to be a punishable offense, make sure you consistently administrate that punishment.
  7. Be reasonable. Not every offense is punishable by a spanking. The reminder that "if the only tool you have is a hammer, it isn't long before everything looks like a nail," fits here.
  8. Be fair. Listen to the whole situation before you administer justice. The world is not fair, but you can be. Sometimes a mitigating factor is important enough to consider.
  9. Be creative. If you need other corrective means, ask people you respect what they do. We have employed a few other means of correction that have been effective, appropriate to the behavior that needed attention. (note: be smart enough to know that this is an extremely emotional issue. For example, while I've never met anyone who uses hot saucing as a disciplinary measure, I know that it agitates many parents on both sides of the issue. I know that it wouldn't work in our home, as we all tend to like spicy food and our kids would just ask for Mexican food for dinner.)

In the end, you are not responsible to the world for the job you do as a parent. You are responsible to the God who gave you children as a gift, and to those children who are the gift. Remember that you are raising them to be excellent adults, not to be entitled children.

January 22, 2007 2:33 PM
Comments

This is INSANE!!! That is what is wrong w/ kids these days, they have NO moral or BIBLICAL backing. For this lady to have "cats" and no kids, she needs to step down and shut her mouth!!

I am also VERY disappointed in the Governor!! As a Repulican I would think he would have some sort of "Biblical standing!!"

I pray this NEVER passes and I hope one day the Assembly lady has a spoiled rotten kid that she cannot control because she didn't spank them!!

Posted by: Nicole at January 22, 2007 2:54 PM

I can't even fathom a government telling me how to parent!!!! I consider myself a good parent, I have never spanked my child under age 3, but i firmly belive that once they are old enough to know right from wrong a swat on the butt will never hurt anything more than pride!!.. I was floored to see some "supposed" child "experts" saying there is no place for spanking. I have had quite a bit formal education in child psychology and spanking does not damage a childs self worth. ... I can't wait untill the first 3 year calls 911 saying his or her parent spanked them!!!
Give me a break!!!

Posted by: Bob at January 22, 2007 3:45 PM

True story:
A family of five were eating dinner. They have a 16 year old girl, a 12 year old boy and a ten year old girl. The 16 year old said f.u. to her father. The father slapped the daughter in the mouth and sent her to her bedroom. While in her bedroom said 16 year old dialed 911 from the telephone her father bought for her. The police came, handcuffed and arrested her father. He now has a child abuse record. Unfortunately it does not say what type of child abuse, just that he's a child abuser. The 16 year old now lives in the streets of California. Thank you Sally for your "regulations"!
Is it any wander that people have stopped watching the news and have stopped voting?

Posted by: Judy at January 22, 2007 3:56 PM

If spanking doesn't actually change any behavior and it teaches violence, as your guest this morning stated, then why is it that as the generations spank less and less, the children have less and less manners and are more and more violent?!

Posted by: Brenda at January 22, 2007 4:24 PM

I watched and read thoroughly your comments and correspondence regarding this issue. I think of paramount importance, of which most have ignored, is the irresponsible shift in the balance of power this legislation proposes. What it essentially does is place the balance of power into the hands of the children. All a child will have to do is claim a parent instituted corporal punishment, and I presume that the parent would then be responsible for proving their innocence, much akin to allegations of other forms of abuse. I think it is also important to remember, that although this law is meant to curb abuse, the time honored tradition of spanking is used properly to deal with disciplining children who are not of understandable means. I think common sense should prevail here and that this proposal, while noble in its origins, should be quashed. Reasonable parents understand how to raise their children. It is not the place of Government to tell us, as Americans, how to live our daily lives. I presume this representative will argue for reproductive rights until she can no longer speak, but at the same time wants to strip a parents right to raise his or her child to be productive members of this great American Experiment.

Posted by: jonathan at January 22, 2007 4:38 PM

Did the the female psychologist have any children? I was told once by a psychologist that if my child had a temper fit in a department store to just walk away and leave them. Yeah right! I told the psychologist, who by the way had no children, that I would rather smack my kids butt than take the chance of a stranger walking off with them. IF YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS OF YOUR OWN SHUT UP!

Posted by: john at January 22, 2007 5:39 PM

My ex-husband used to spank to the extreme (always in the heat of anger and always too hard)...my personal opinion is that spanking teaches a child nothing but how to become violent as they get older. I have three children: two used to get spanked by their father but the third was not. The two who were spanked became increasingly more violent with each other and other children, but my daughter who was not spanked is able to communicate much better and get her point across when something bothers her without resorting to physical violence. I think that when parents allow their anger to take over, discipline isn't even part of the equation anymore. Children can be disciplined and learn how to develop much better self-discipline when they are given tangible consequences for their actions rather than a swat on the rear end. For the record, I wish spanking had been outlawed before he was given the right to abuse my children...I've never believed in it and my kids have wonderful manners by the way.

Posted by: Alicia Taylor-Bender at January 22, 2007 7:33 PM

I was always getting into trouble as a kid while growing up. If it wasn't for the spankings I received to keep me in line my butt would probably be rotting in a prison today. Looking back, I realize I was fortunate to have parents that loved me enough cared about my future.


Ray

P.S. My Father was a Baptist Minister.

Posted by: Ray at January 22, 2007 9:07 PM

That is a great piece on a subject that has been discussed intensely on The Today Show forum since yesterday. Would you please consider reposting your entrie piece on the forum?
Thanks.
http://www-todayshow.com/

Posted by: Hans Lys at January 23, 2007 2:53 AM
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